Beyond the Comfort Zone

Written by Mathew Naismith

This is what comes from going way outside your comfort zone can reveal at times.

Quote: “At no time is fact directly related to truth, only when facts have been verified to be true. This is interesting, which I never thought of before, atheists often refer to facts instead of truth, but spiritually aware people often refer to truth instead of facts.  Hmmmm, this is why I am not an atheist!!  Let’s be honest, one of the doctrines or laws of atheism is it must be of facts, not truth. Seen as more people are becoming atheistic, is the fraud in today’s science linked to this? Is today’s mess in the world linked to this? Add immoral deceptive militants to this equation, why not!!”

This will make more sense when you read on to the reply I sent to an atheist on the topic of atheist doctrines based on fiction, not facts.  So many atheists also totally believe, obviously in the absence of truth, that we are born an atheist or theist, also, that you can only be an atheist or a theist!! Yes, these two firmly believed doctrines of atheism are simply based on fiction it would seem.     

But, if you are not a theist, you are an atheist does I suppose!! True and false are often used in a different context to fact and fiction, so you are saying fact is exactly the same as true and false is exactly the same as fiction!! This is exactly what you seem to be saying Junious. I did make reference to fact and fiction, not true and false.

Fact:  A piece of information about circumstances that exist or events that have occurred

Truth: A fact that has been verified

Fiction: The creation of something in the mind

False: Not in accordance with the fact, reality or actuality

As previously quoted: At no time is fact directly related to truth, only when facts have been verified to be true. This is interesting, which I never thought of before, atheists often refer to facts instead of truth, but spiritually aware people often refer to truth instead of facts.  Hmmmm, this is why I am not an atheist!!  Let’s be honest, one of the doctrines or laws of atheism is it must be of facts, not truth. Seen as more people are becoming atheistic, is the fraud in today’s science linked to this? Is today’s mess in the world linked to this? Add immoral deceptive militants to this equation, why not!!     

In relation to fiction and falseness, they seem the same but there not Junious. Fiction can often be based on fact and even truth, falseness is never based on fact and certainly not truth.

I hope you didn’t do this on purpose, used words manipulatively to serve your own purpose. Junious, we use quite different reasoning processes, I think this should be obvious to you now.

The doctrine of lack of belief, disbelief or whatever you want to change it to, is not based on truth or facts.  So if it is not based on truth or facts, what is it? The only fact there is, at this point in time, is that deities can’t scientifically be proven to exist but can in other ways. Are these other ways accepted by atheists? No, but they are to many others. This is not truth by atheists Junious, as atheists obviously don’t work on truths, which is a huge error in my mind. Hones.yt, I can’t ever remember an atheist making a number of references to truth, only facts which isn’t truth until proven to be true.

The problem with belief systems, including atheism, is militants, and yes, atheism without a doubt has its militants or radicals as well.  Can you now see the way you and so many other atheists, not all, reasoning are quite incorrect?

What you have done here disappoints me, not that should worry you of course.

I was encouraged by the creator of this atheist group to join the discussions on this group. I have a funny feeling they regret this now.  Yes, I am open minded and often honest within my truths, but this also includes being open minded and honest with my truths in relation to beliefs systems like atheism.  I was simply a shock to the system being as openly honest as I was.

It is not about changing people’s minds, it is about freely expressing one’s own views.