Written by Mathew Naismith
I had a very
interesting interaction with another person in regards to my following post
posted on another person's timeline. Progressive
thinking like this, or more precisely progressive awareness, is not well
accepted, in actuality, in a reality based on desires, progressive awareness is
less accepted.
The reason for this unacceptance has to do
with our desires or our fixations, for example, that there is only a starting
and ending point, meaning, everything hasn't always existed and we come from
something to end up where we are now.
We also don't desire to be apart of
something unbecoming, like this reality that we are experiencing at present.
It's as if we are discarding the yang in favour of being just of the yin; of
course there is no true sense of oneness in this or truth.
Progressive awareness is to do with being
aware that everything has always and always will exist, this of course also
includes, not excludes, starting and ending points, especially of origin.
Progressive awareness simply has nothing to
do with the desire to be one thing or another, but everything no matter how
unbecoming it might seem.
Note: This post is rather long, sorry for any
inconvenience; I simply could not split this post up in two parts.
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So if I focused on myself and
healed myself or became enlightened, I would be healed or enlightened!!
No, for the simple reason we
are one. If one part of this collective consciousness is not healed or not
enlightened, we too are of the same, of course a controlling ego will not have
this in any sense.
I will listen to a truly
enlightened person, for only a truly enlightened person knows they are never
healed or enlightened if any part of the collective is unhealed or
unenlightened.
Where has the true
comprehension of oneness gone in the world?
I am often
labeled a guru or enlightened; never will this truly be the case because a real
guru or enlightened person could never accept this for obvious reasons.
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Heather MacEwen So this must mean that we have to work
towards healing or enlightening ourselves - so that in the improbable scenario
we all give action to this cause, we are then all healed and enlightened
together.
It would be
futile to say 'what is the point in even trying to find self healing or
enlightenment' because then you could be the one that prevents oneness.
My Rely
Very interesting view, yes of course. The
very act of perceiving to be healed or enlightened prevents the collective from
being at one, this is probably why human consciousness collectively may never
be at one.
It's infinite, there is always a part of the collective consciousness as a whole that needs to be healed or enlightened. If it was the other way around, we would only exist and experience finiteness. I think having a part of the collective consciousness as a whole that needs to be healed or enlightened, gives us infiniteness. This is as it should be because consciousness should always be infinite in nature; actually I don't think it could be any other way.
It's strange to think that we can only be at one while being aware that we are never truly enlightened or healed as a whole. I think our own awareness of this gives us a true sense of oneness.
If we only perceived that we were enlightened, where is the oneness in this when excluding the parts of ourselves that are not enlightened? A true sense of oneness has no exclusions; it's something human consciousness seems to have always done and probably always will; it's just one of the traits that make human consciousness human I suppose.
Thank god we are not just of human consciousness.
It's infinite, there is always a part of the collective consciousness as a whole that needs to be healed or enlightened. If it was the other way around, we would only exist and experience finiteness. I think having a part of the collective consciousness as a whole that needs to be healed or enlightened, gives us infiniteness. This is as it should be because consciousness should always be infinite in nature; actually I don't think it could be any other way.
It's strange to think that we can only be at one while being aware that we are never truly enlightened or healed as a whole. I think our own awareness of this gives us a true sense of oneness.
If we only perceived that we were enlightened, where is the oneness in this when excluding the parts of ourselves that are not enlightened? A true sense of oneness has no exclusions; it's something human consciousness seems to have always done and probably always will; it's just one of the traits that make human consciousness human I suppose.
Thank god we are not just of human consciousness.
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Heather MacEwen Great reply Matthew. I enjoy reading your
posts but I really do have to take time to digest the content and understand
it.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Thanks for taking the time to reply.
My Rely
It's funny, most people would say what I write is
complicating things. I thinks it's more complicating things when we separate
everything as most people are conditioned to do, for me anyway. I was
pleasantly surprised that someone got the gist of this to the point you did. We
must think outside the square to find our truer being in my mind, human
consciousness is too limited, of separatism and self-centred.
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I think it's
easy for others to say that you're complicating things when they don't
understand. My opinion is that if you don't understand, then ask and become
committed to taking time to try and understand where another person is coming
from. Surely this will help us all to become united/one.
So, to look outside the square -
should we try and view human collective consciousness as limitless - like
Divine consciousness, or are we limited within the Divine consciousness?
My Rely
Very good question, should we try and view human
collective consciousness as limitless?
Would we be lying to ourselves if we
viewed something that is limited as being unlimited? Considering that our
present reality was created from lies, I'm not sure if this is a good thing to
do.
I think human consciousness is
naturally limited while being apart of an unlimited consciousness at the same
time. Oneness to me refers to the yin and the yang, the limited and the
unlimited without separation or refutation of one or the other. To me, human
consciousness is an important part of the whole even being as unlimited as it
is. A controlling ego desires that we are only of the unlimited, in other words
of the yang while refuting or denouncing the existence of the yin, there is
certainly no wholeness or oneness in this.
Only when conversing with eastern
minded people do you realise the extant to which the eastern and western mind thinks.
The western mind often excludes one or the other in favour of one or the other,
it's a liar/deceiver in other words.
In India , people were brought up being
aware of the controlling ego; we in the west are brought up to do anything but
be aware.
I think all we need to simply do is be
aware that we are of an unlimited consciousness as well, while at the same time
desisting in trying to separate one from the other. It's funny that a controlling ego always desires
to be glorious, the best of everything only.
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Heather MacEwen Am I thinking along the same lines as you if
I suggest that in a way, 'we' limit human consciousness by refusing to accept
the whole i.e. Yin/Yang? If this was embraced fully we would become limitless
and a heaven on earth?
My Rely
Do we, in the way we use human
consciousness, limit human consciousness?
I think human consciousness itself has
to refute the existence of the whole to stay as human consciousness. However,
as human consciousness has evolved from other conscious forms, we too will
evolve from human consciousness; we will simply leave human consciousness
behind us in my mind.
So yes, we are limiting ourselves to
human consciousness when we are at the same time of the divine consciousness, a
consciousness that isn't limited.
I think heaven on Earth simply has to
do with awareness, considering our present reality having been created from
ignorance, I think being more aware would bring a heaven on Earth. Being aware
of the true nature of oneness would definitely help in this in my mind; we are
just too disconnected from our divine nature, too unaware and deliberately so
in a number of cases.
Rely
Heather MacEwen Yes, makes
sense
Supplement: I will explain the idea of
this using the same method as people from India do; use their environment to
explain themselves.
My
wife and I are debt free, however, this does not mean we are truly debt free
because our country isn't debt free. We perceive we are personally debt free;
this is clearly only a perception or a desire.
Ok,
let's say that the country is debt free, does this mean we are debt free? No,
if anyone is in debt and doesn't pay that debt, it's not the financial
institutions that lose out; we do with higher charges to cover these debts.
We
might be healed but if the Earth is unhealed, are we truly healed? Considering
that the Earth affects our health and well being, are we truly healed? To
simply put this, our desires lie to us.